Sometimes I get nervous when I invite guests on the show and inviting Josey Baker made me more nervous than usual.
But I took a deep breath and sent off an invitation and was very happy when Josey accepted. And I’m even happier now that we’ve had our chat. He’s a guy I could totally spend more time with.
What started as an innocent question (“Are you always as happy as in your photos?”) sent us down a winding trail of conversation about a jar full of topics, from privilege to culture and values (and how they aren’t the same) to the importance of mentors.
It’s a conversation like no other and I’m so glad I get to share it with you today.
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PS - If you’re ever in San Francisco, you could do much worse than a trip to The Mill, to get some of Josey’s bread at the source. And I’ll bet he’ll be smiling.